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The Anglo-American Nazi War by QuantumBranching The Anglo-American Nazi War by QuantumBranching
This one is based on the conclusion of a timeline over at alternatehistory.com, which can be read here [link]

To roughly outline events (read the TL for more detail) Nazi Germany wins WWII in Europe, and lasts a while (due to the atom bomb not being invented untill considerably later than in our world) but is later beaten by a US-British Empire alliance.

Germany goes down ugly (last stand of David Koresh ugly) and most of Europe is left a chemically and bio-weapons contaminated wreck. The US is left with a determination that such a regime will never be allowed to arise again, and follows a "nuke them from orbit" form of gunship diplomacy. (The UN in this world is for democracies only)

India, which was deliberately built up as another Arsenal of Democracy in the years between Nazi victory in Europe and Round II, took off economically much earlier than in our world and the total size of the economy is perhaps slightly larger than that of the US by 2011, although still considerably poorer on a per capita basis. They are annoyed about the US's "judge, jury, and executioner" attitude towards nations that get too far out of line, and also the US-Anglosphere monopoly on access to space (the US doesn't want anyone to develop an ICBM capable of hitting them).

Read the key carefully. The map may be a bit confusing otherwise: remember, green means UN, but so does solid violet. India is disagreement with the US, but we don't have an outright cold war. Well, except for the crazies in China...
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner May 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Having now read the completed timeline twice now, thoroughly, why is China portrayed as an enemy? It was liberated by the United States, Britain, and the Nationalists, who then won afterwards. Why do you make them sound like OTL's PRC ?
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013
Hm? The TL specifically makes them out to be bad guys, pester the original writer about it.
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I've read the complete timeline, I've never seen any mention of what actually happens in China after the defeat of Japan, and Calbear does quote Mao Zedong and specify that he is a "failed revolutionary", so I assume the RoC is ruling China, and the RoC was a dictatorship, but why would they go crazy?
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2013
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Read carefully what these posts have to say re China.
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Thank you by the way for that wonderful link starting right at the beginning of the post-war world, because now I've read the entire thread and I like the timeline even more. Stettin be remembered!
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I read the comment free version, I never knew the timeline continued after the actual defeat of the Reich D:
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GCarty Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012
As far as the atom bomb was concerned, the issue is that the remnants of the NKVD had managed to convince the Nazis that nuclear weapons weren't possible. The US therefore refrained from using nuclear weapons against Japan, for fear that it would spur the Nazis (which the Allies rightly guessed wouldn't surrender even if hit with dozens of nukes) to develop nukes of their own before they could be defeated.

The gruesome ending of the Pacific War (the Allies fought in China to finish off the Kwantung Army, while the Home Islands were starved into surrender -- the entire country was something like Belsen by the time the US occupied it) also made the US leery of civilian casualties, such that the Allies don't start nuking German cities until the Germans had used their own WMDs against London.
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Sounds lovely.
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FieldMarshalPatton Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2012
How come places like East Prussia, and Silesia weren't given over to Poland (especially to give them an access to the sea)? Considering how bitter and vengeful the US is, deporting a few million Germans would be a mere footnote.
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GCarty Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012
Probably because there are are barely enough Poles left to populate the land they got back as it is...
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012
Well, they do get back the "corridor" area plus Danzig for access to the sea, those areas have been German since, I think, the 13th-14th century, and millions of Germans _have_ been quite brutally deported - when not just slaughtered outright - from Polish territory proper.
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FieldMarshalPatton Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012
Thanks, couldn't see very well with my poor eyes. Still the Germans don't get kicked out of E. Prussia and Silesia unlike OTL...
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012
Well, mass ethnic cleansing is a sort of, well, _Nazi_ thing to do, no? And it's not like the Germans aren't rather thoroughly ground into the dust post-war. They're still divided into a bunch of smaller states and under occupation over half a century later, and resistance to this situation is met with ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT!!!!
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TomBombardier Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
If only I didn't need to read over three hundred pages of discussion to read the thing as a whole.
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Vaatzes Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2012  Student General Artist
CalBear actually redid it free of all the comments.

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Nederbird Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2011
Nice that the US is idealistic about democracy, not so nice that it's an arrogant, self-important dickhead about it.

At least nice that India is a major power and that it supports democracy and especially good to see that the Arab Republic, Brazil and Indonesia is also in that mix. Though I must ask, have the Indians gotten past Bollywood or do they still only produce crappy musicals?
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
The US went 'full retard' in this one. Not surprising.
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011
Well, as a commenter on the other thread suggested, the US was suffering from a touch of national PTSD after the horrors of the European liberation, but in my humble opinion you only get a couple generations free pass on that one. [1] (Post 2010? Definitely dicks).


[1](For instance, I tend to give Israel a free pass up to 1995 :) ).
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1Wyrmshadow1 Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011
Be Good or We Kill You.. that sounds a lot like the US Foreign Policy in "The Big One" timeline.
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GCarty Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2014
To be honest, I think that given a Nazi victory over the Soviets, a massive "The Big One"-style nuclear attack on Germany in the late 1940s seems a far more likely way for the war to have ended than Calbear's timeline.
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011
To some extent, although I don't recall them bombing Paris just to teach them not to be a bunch of whimps, or whatever the explanation was in "The Big One."
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1Wyrmshadow1 Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2011
They bombed the Champs-Élysées and the Arc de Triumph to keep the French from having a place to celebrate a victory over Nazi Germany because they didn't do anything to contribute.
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2011
Right, right, I remember now. Did Charles De Gaulle shoot his dog when he was a kid or something??
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2011
So amidst the American UN green, the British Empire is still around, right?
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011
Well, they call it the Commonwealth, but it still has some muscle: those nations pink or orange-pink within the green UN border (and in a couple of sad cases, within the pale brown of a non-UN member) are all Commonwealth members.
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011
I see.
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