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A Different Decades of Darkness by QuantumBranching A Different Decades of Darkness by QuantumBranching
A map requested by Jeckl.

This is based on the timeline "Decades of Darkness" by Jared over at Alternate History.com [link]

I shan't go into too much detail, since it isn't my timeline, but it is a world in which a War of 1812 Gone Wrong leads to New England breaking away from the US (later followed by some other bits) and the remaining USA, being numerically dominated by slave states, follows a path of large-scale slave-holding and aggressive territorial expansion, eventually moving into Latin America and either fully enslaving or enserfing the duskier-hued inhabitants.

As the result of butterflies, a big-ass Germany forms earlier than in our world, and after a couple wars the Germans end up dominating Europe, the Russians most of the stuff to the east, and the USA/King size Confederacy dominates the Americas, as here [link] An era of "three superpowers" begins, with the Brits reduced to a rump empire in exile and the French have their country broken up. This is a variant version in which not everything goes the USA's way, and things don't go well at all for the Germans.

The Halifax Powers win the North American war, the US losing some border territory and most of its Caribbean holdings. Later, with a weakened USA and the Russians on side, the British-French-etc alliance wins the later Great War. Russia didn't do quite as well as in the original scenario in Asia, but made up for it by extracting an extremely high price for entering into the war on the non-German side: pretty much all of Eastern Europe is in Russia's pocket.

The USA was able to hold its own on the American continent, although it has to pull back from hard-to-access southern Brazil in the face of well-equipped Latin troops and military threats from the North. Currently it is slowly but surely crushing the various Montevideo League-backed rebellions in the territories and plotting revenge.

Germany has been divided. This is probably not maintainable in the long run, and France's extension to the Rhine was probably not a good idea either (the local Germans are Not Happy), as Napoleonically Glorious as it was. The five allied powers (the UK, France, Japan, New England, and a united Italy), currently hang together for fear of hanging separately, knowing that none of them individually is strong enough to stand up to Russia or the US. The Nightmare Scenario, of course, is Russia and the US joining forces.

However, even as people in Canada and New England peer nervously southwards, and those in Japan nervously westwards (the French are fairly relaxed, because they're confident the Russians aren't going to want to take on the headaches of keeping the Germans disunited, and the USA is on the other side of an ocean), something is going on in labs and university campuses and government research centers. Something big. And depending on who gets ahead in this so far largely unseen race, the entire balance of power could be utterly upset...
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Would also be cool to see DoD America totally triumphant, or as an alternate, the New Englanders/Russians/Germans/French would be quite an interesting thing to see as well. Jared made a timeline more interesting then reality in my opinion.
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013
High praise for Jared! I'm not sure how much further the US could expand, but certainly the competition - Germans and Russians - could have done rather worse.
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stevecali90 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Dunno about Russia, but I certainly think Germany could have had a far larger amount of eastern territory than it did in the original.

The *U.S., on the other hand, was really pushing the boundaries of plausibility as it is, TBH; they really could have been much, much less successful at various points.
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
But that wasn't the point...
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stevecali90 Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I know. =p =)
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stevecali90 Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
But in all honesty, Jeckl still did a really good job laying things out. I hope to see more from him in the future.
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Jeckl Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
Thanks, glade you like it
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
You and Jared are my favorite AHers :P

I agree with you on your take on DoD America's largest point of expansion, but I'm fairly certain they could have ended up with a much larger sphere of influence, especially when the rise of the 3rd world comes and decolonization begins. Or just give the Europeans and Asians more trouble and have the Americans remain a sluggish behemoth, but one that is the hyperpower by sheer lack of competition. Ruling through economic might and the occasional toppling of some African dictator who talked too much shit about Columbia for the President to tolerate (slavers with drones! :D)

As for Germany and Russia, they could have ended up much larger as well.
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stevecali90 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
DoD certainly was interesting, IMO. It's just that I've always felt that it was a little TOO over-the-top in some ways, particularly where the U.S. is concerned(and perhaps Russia, too, to a lesser extent at least, towards the end.).
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
That was why it was so interesting to me, such a detailed timeline taking three of my favorite -wanks and extrapolating them side by side in glorious glorious detail :heart:
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stevecali90 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
That's how it was for me, too, pretty much. =)
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stevecali90 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice job, Bruce! Very interesting to see some past "What Ifs" of a popular TL for a change.
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FieldMarshalPatton Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013
The United States is allowed run amuck in S. America even after the North American War?
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Jeckl Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
Yes.

This was done to prevent a Second American War.

Canada > South America, in terms of British interest. The NAW left a very bad taste in Allied mouths, think appeasement only it kind of worked. They also kind of hoped the US may just get into a quagmire and collapse.
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013
Hm. I seem to have gotten my dates mixed up. Ok, blame Jeckl! :)
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
Nice! But any chance that you'll do Issac's Empire? :)
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
1. Isn't it in revision?
2. There's so much to read to figure out what changed since the last map, and I'm laaaaazy...
3. MarcosCeia's maps for parts of it are so cool, that I feel a bit inadequate... [link]
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
How about a take on these?

[link]

[link]
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Jeckl Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
Thanks QB you rock!
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Not so sure how I feel about this. The glory of DoD was that it was a dystopian victory.
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
Cheer up. Maybe the USA gets the bomb first!
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
And nuke those damn Yankee's into submission :meow:
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OttoVonSuds Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
Do that version of DoD with a *US even meaner than in your continuation jared proposed as an ATL end to the north american war.
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OttoVonSuds Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
True. The fact that you have the bulk of eurasia being ruled by social democrats(Germany, Russia) instead of just western europe and the pain-inducingly stupidity of the "restored empire" makes it truly count as dystopian.
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
"The fact that you have the bulk of eurasia being ruled by social democrats(Germany, Russia) instead of just western europe...makes it truly count as dystopian."

:D
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OttoVonSuds Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
You'll at least agree that Jared's decision to create the "restored empire"/make Australia punch WELL Above it's weight was deeply moronic right?
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
Well, I don't see what's so moronic about a stronger-than-OTL Australia: I don't recall it doing anything particularly herculean. (Examples?)But I will say I find the "restored empire" hanging around as anything more than a regional alliance unlikely.
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OttoVonSuds Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
Australia is 1) isolated 2) quite dry and not likely to support more. An australia of say double OTL's economic strength and population and able to manage to at worst be finlandized by one of the big players? Believable.

Yes. A thousand times yes. The RE ending up just a regional alliance, or maintaining a shell of viability by picking up disgruntled ex-colonies and Japan like how you have it to keep the label is more realistic than Jared's implying it's a fourth player.
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Jeckl Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
Yeah even as an aussie I thought that Jared's Oz was a bit too much.

I mean where great but not that great.
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stevecali90 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, and as for me, I'm an American and I've felt the same way about the *U.S. for a long time myself: We might be hella capable, but we're not the Mongols....ya know?
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UmbricMan Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
I notice that New England took what seems to be the Western Reserve/northern third of Ohio and the Erie Triangle/NW Pennsylvania from the USA.

As the Western Reserve was originally settled by Yankees (and I BELIEVE the Erie Triangle was as well), and all throughout DoD Ohio, Westsylvania, and Pennsylvania were pretty liberal states and the 'Free Trio', how do the locals of the captured territories as well as Yankees proper take it? New England on liberating Lost Yankees or so? Is the captured territory its own state by now?

(and since Ohio definitely lost its most urban and liberal area, I wonder if this isn't a slight blessing in disguise for American Ohio to cleave more tightly to the rest of the country in demographics and politics, if not its pride. Perhaps the same for Westsylvania as well)
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
I was thinking in terms of creating a land link to Michigan and pushing the USA away from the Great Lakes rather than a "liberation" effort - it's been a part of the US too long - and had the area divided up between New England states of Michigan and Niagra to dilute the political influence of the existing USians. Leaving it as a territory would disenfranchise the locals entirely and would lead to considerable resentment, I'd assume.
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UmbricMan Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
That makes sense, though I was figuring New England would hawk on it being a 'liberation' after the fact, like how Poland suddenly claimed its new borders were 'recovered territories' post-WW2 (and several centuries after the German colonization). =P
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
The Poles didn't claim that, the communist collaborating Poles apart of the Soviet-installed government did that, at Moscow's command.
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OttoVonSuds Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
Nice, but I'd like to see a variant of DoD that removes Jared's pointless russia wank[1], his britain-wank[2] and removes the deliberate gaming against the US for your next doD-related map.

[1] OTL was enough of one as is. More likely
[2] Hearing the words "restored empire" makes me reach for my gun.
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
Personally I felt the _German wank_ came out of nowhere/dept. of author thumb on scales(to distract possible enemies USA)

Russia was pretty much destined to be big by the end of the 18th century: the question is just how big. (I found the assimilation of North China a bit much, really). I am somewhat sympathetic of Russia-wanks simply because Russia has had so much bad shit happen to it in our TL.

It's not so much a restored empire as a relocated one... :)

Well, it's Jeckl's request, blame him for the US getting it's snout bloodied.
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PG-1987 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
"because Russia has had so much bad shit happen to it in our TL"

You could say the same about OTL Germany.

Anyway, I don't think the dismemberment of Germany (as likely as OTL Imperial Germany accepting dismemberment), the situation in Cuba-Hispaniola (Dominica was a New England state!) and Russian China (lacking a big chunk of Manchuria) make much sense (you got the priorities of some DoD's countries wrong).
Otherwise, it's a decent map.
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
The Russians didn't elect Stalin, boyo.
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OttoVonSuds Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
Yeah. I'm not going to defend the particular mechanism he used to create a bigger germany.

That said, I could see mechanisms to create a german-led central european superstate that might work. Give the hapsburgs a couple of above-average emperors with ambition during the late 18th/early 19th century and the Prussians a string of mediocre ones along with one idiot and you'd get them to be the ones getting the ball rolling. Of course, it'd take into the 1870s to get the rest of Germany outside of the catholic to fall in line but it'd be doable.

Heck, it'd fit Jared's goal of it serving as a distraction from the *US's expanding everywhere that's not nailed down.
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Todyo1798 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Tis cool, but you missed out 14 on the map.
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
Fixed: also removed autonomous Tuva (it may have been on the original map from the DoD website, but doesn't really make sense if _all of Mongolia_ has been directly incorporated into Russia)
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Todyo1798 Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I noticed it too, however it could have been passed as one of those quirks of history. Like Lesotho maintaining its protectorate status when all the land around it was absorbed into a Dominion.
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